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野野蜂:关注梁警官案

2016-2-16 08:14 AM| 发布者: 星光| 查看: 696| 评论: 26|原作者: 野野蜂

摘要: 梁警官的事情,想必大家多多少少知道一点儿。具体细节,颇多争议,一点儿也不奇怪。不过,无论是同情梁警官或者赞成判他有罪的人,有一点共识:梁警官是有错,但不是故意杀人。 而检察官最后呈词的时候,竟然第一次 ...
梁警官的事情,想必大家多多少少知道一点儿。具体细节,颇多争议,一点儿也不奇怪。不过,无论是同情梁警官或者赞成判他有罪的人,有一点共识:梁警官是有错,但不是故意杀人。 而检察官最后呈词的时候,竟然第一次清清楚楚地提出“故意杀人”的罪名,虽然并没被法官采纳,但让我深切感受到,辛普森案的强词夺理狡辩算得了什么,堂堂检察官是可以在庄严的法庭之上堂而皇之无中生有捏造事实的。


达拉斯游行群发的。转给大家看:
After reading through the posts in this forum, several thoughts came to mind. These thoughts are very important to Chinese Americans. Although this is a long write-up, I hope anyone who cares about their and their children’s livelihood in the US will finish reading it, and I welcome feedbacks and debates.


Based on what I read, Peter’s verdict may be legally good, but unfair. However, justice carries a broader meaning than legality. Many acts of social injustice are carried out while perfectly legal. So a total faith in the legal system may be misplaced.

We have to remember that any legal system is established by people and carried out by people. Since everybody has self-interest and to err is human, it is inevitable that any verdict comes from a court/jury is biased, and often depends on the skill of defense lawyers. That is the reason that O.J. Simpson came out “not guilty” after apparently killing his wife. Money and power matter!

For historical, social, and cultural reasons, Chinese Americans often get the short end of the stick in this country. The question is: what is the most effective way to protect our rights in this society? To answer this question, one has to realize what we face.  

1.     First of all, if one really knows this country, one would realize that there has always been a tacit understanding that the powerful always gets the better part of the bargain, and the squeaking wheel gets the oil.

2.     For cultural and historical reason, the Chinese are considered quiet work bees, who would accept whatever is stuck to and never squeak, no matter how unfair. This has large part to do with the Chinses culture that subservience to the powerful is the best strategy, and also the belief that there is this benevolent official or emperor who will hand down justice, without taking justice to our own hands. As a result, the Chinese never fight for our rights with our own hands. Thus, in the view of other ethnic groups, the Chinese can be picked on without any consequences.

3.     In addition, as long as China is viewed a strategical rival of the US, the Chinese will be viewed with suspicion in this country, and Chinese Americans are unlikely to enjoy the absolute equal rights as other ethnic groups.

So what can we do to improve our lot?

1.     Although every policy-maker is largely a rational person, but every educated person understands that the public is often irrational. So in every policy-making, the irrational voice also gets its share of attention. It is this sense of trepidation for political backlash that has kept any politician, including the Supreme Court justices, to be sensitive to the needs and wants of the black and Hispanic communities.

Chinese Americans need to earn the same respect, not to wait for the respect. Thus, despite some irrational elements in the movement to support Peter, I think it is a great opportunity for the public and politicians to finally realize that the Chinese community here can make squeaking noise, and is a formidable political force to be reckoned with, and should not be ignored, much less to be trampled upon with impunity.

2.     To fundamentally improve our conditions in this country, we have to vote, and most importantly, to vote as a block, irrespective of each individual’s political inclination or personal interest. By voting as a block, 4 million of Chinese Americans can decide who can be the next president, who can be next senators in several large and influential states, such as CA, NY, TX.

In 2012, Obama won 61.2 million votes, while Romney won 58.2, a difference of 3 million votes, a quite large difference by the standard of presidential election. If only 1.5 million people switched their votes, the outcome would be totally different. That shows the power of block-voting, and it is the best way for a minority group to win political influence in a democracy. There are 4 million Chinese in this country. Even if 2 million of us vote and are united as a block in voting, then every politician will speak out for our interest in this country, just as they do for the Jews. Think about it!

The other issue is about how to deal with “political correctness” and attitude towards the blacks. A lot of recent attacks in Chinese forum against the “politically correctness政治正确” probably come from the new Chinese immigrants who don’t know the political history of the US.

Without the civil rights movement, largely carried out by the black, and backed by the Jews behind the scene, every colored person in this country would continue to face blatant and legal discrimination in this country. Every one of us would not have enjoyed the freedom and rights we enjoy now in this country. For that reason, we should have some gratitude to and sympathy for the black.

As long as being “politically correct” is still considered as being necessary in public by every public figure in this country, we are safe. If not, then Chinese Americans will face a lot more discrimination and become targets of bigotry. It is almost a matter of life and death situation.

Similarly, the reason that minority groups in this country enjoy equal rights, at least legally, is also due to the persistent efforts of the Jews. Due to their tragic experience of being slaughtered by Germans in Europe, they realize how important it is for a society to embrace “political correctness” and equal rights for different ethnic groups. Therefore, if, someday, even the Jews don’t enjoy their rights in this country, then it is a sign that political environment has deteriorated really badly for any minority groups.

On the other hand, I often tell my kids: despite all its flaws and imperfections, the US is still the greatest country, and probably the best place for a Chinese to live, because you are more likely to find justice here than in China, or in Mexico, in Malaysia, in Spain, or even in France. So love this country, exalt its merits, and embrace its values, while fighting to mend its flaws and improve its imperfections.

In short, in the US, the squeaking wheel gets the oil, while in China, the nail that sticks out gets hammered down. So making squeaking noise as loudly as we can on this wonderful land!

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引用 2016-2-20 01:47 PM
swan.eagle: 仙草姐姐好
刚去读了那篇。从经过描述看来,梁太年轻(关于这一点,我觉得应该把NYPD的责任推出来),枪击行动也的确不是故意而为,而是太紧张所致。愿他 ...
海外也一样,就像给白宫发请愿信,就是把华人希望青天大老爷的人治情结带到美国来了。这只能说明华人对法治社会的无知he幼稚。
引用 2016-2-20 11:05 AM
fancao: 天鹅妹妹,久没见了,新年好。论坛那里,漫人转的一篇文章有更多细节。http://smallstation.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=7886 ...
仙草姐姐好
刚去读了那篇。从经过描述看来,梁太年轻(关于这一点,我觉得应该把NYPD的责任推出来),枪击行动也的确不是故意而为,而是太紧张所致。愿他能赢得转机。 “这些年来,每有华裔自己认为受到不公平对待的案例出现时,便会有不少华人开始刷屏动员,然后抗议、捐款或围追堵截几个政客,之后鸟兽散场…”,感觉这样做欠缺明智,不懂法治。 “我们并不缺能力,我们也不缺乏诉求的表达,我们缺少的是真正融入美国社会、并利用这个社会的政治和法律规则来改变自身形象和影响力的长期坚持和不懈努力。我们不愿参政,哪怕参与的话,我们也只愿支持同肤色的“自己人”。我们没有其他少数族裔那样抱团,互相歧视常有,对其他族裔尤其是黑人的歧视从不掩饰,更少走出去和其他肤色和种族达成认同和互助,寻求支持。一句话,我们缺的是胸怀和远见”,赞同这个判断,这也是国内的精神状态。
引用 2016-2-20 10:17 AM
swan.eagle: 对事件的始末不清楚,不过,读了凡草这段,感觉这个作者很理智,所提应该是好对策。
天鹅妹妹,久没见了,新年好。论坛那里,漫人转的一篇文章有更多细节。http://smallstation.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=7886
引用 2016-2-20 09:16 AM
fancao: 转发啊:大家觉得这人说的有道理么
上来就说free officer liang,把自己放在老黑,老白的位置上用脚后跟想想,尼玛凭 什么啊,就算是误杀(老黑还未必相信),被 ...
对事件的始末不清楚,不过,读了凡草这段,感觉这个作者很理智,所提应该是好对策。
引用 2016-2-17 11:29 PM
野野蜂: 真的吗?网上哪里有这个消息?
Wechat 微信消息
引用 2016-2-17 10:49 PM
野野蜂: 你写一篇反驳的吧,中文也可以。
本来不想多说,因为心情不好,而且你转的这篇硬文说了好多东西,几句话说不清楚。然后就是网上随便一个人说了啥,就要拿来批评一番,我觉着这么做挺没劲的。不过我还是以为这篇是夹了一些私货,你既然点到我名了,不好意思再作哑巴。

就说文中几个观点吧。比如说要联合起来投票,怎么操作?前些年有个80/20运动,号召大家集中火力投票,但是好像效果不好,被人骂得够呛。投民主党?因为他们的政策对移民好些,但并不具体到华人身上。投共和党?他们本来就敌视新移民,他们能会对华人好点么?

犹太人幕后搞民权运动?这对我来说还是新鲜事,需要学习。我听到的,都是犹太人怎么操纵这个国家的内政外交。不过有一点是真的,就是我们隔壁那个州,犹太人新年是学校的规定假日,学生在那天不用上学。于是我同学的女儿就在中国的新年也不想上学了。有人努力想在纽约州把中国新年改成法定假日,好像还没办到。再就是加州的哪个县,本来年年都搞生蛋游行,后来有位犹太母亲说我们不过生蛋,于是游行就被取消了。

不过这篇文章的大观点是对的,就是你不去争取,没有人会白给你那些尊敬和权利的。
引用 2016-2-17 09:56 PM
哪個環節有問題就從哪里下手,不一定有必要搞成政治事件。
引用 2016-2-17 07:38 PM
panda: 亲爱的大家,最新喜讯,我们的司法鉴证专家-李昌钰,已经确认将加入为Peter Liang翻案。
真的吗?网上哪里有这个消息?
引用 2016-2-17 04:56 PM
亲爱的大家,最新喜讯,我们的司法鉴证专家-李昌钰,已经确认将加入为Peter Liang翻案。
引用 2016-2-17 04:19 PM
fancao: 有些人未必是想救人,而是找机会做秀。
the end point is money, main purpose of show is to get popularity, then make money out of it
引用 2016-2-17 01:18 PM
拙林: 同意转贴里的观点,虽然用词有点糙。  中国人讲究据理力争,力争要以据理为原则,否则只是一个简单的情绪的发泄口。  华人要争取自己的权利是个漫长的大目标,但 ...
还是林妹妹会思考。
引用 2016-2-17 01:18 PM
滨州: 对此案不熟。据说事故发生后梁与经验丰富的纽约警察工会合作甚少而主要听从唐人街几个混蛋律师。
是要预防游行成为展示中国力量的秀。 ...
有些人未必是想救人,而是找机会做秀。
引用 2016-2-17 10:58 AM
fancao: 转发啊:大家觉得这人说的有道理么
上来就说free officer liang,把自己放在老黑,老白的位置上用脚后跟想想,尼玛凭 什么啊,就算是误杀(老黑还未必相信),被 ...
同意转贴里的观点,虽然用词有点糙。  中国人讲究据理力争,力争要以据理为原则,否则只是一个简单的情绪的发泄口。  华人要争取自己的权利是个漫长的大目标,但具体到一件事,我们影响的是一个人的命运,做好了在帮他,做砸了在害他。 不能只把他的名字放标语上,心里只想着明天的蓝图和人权大业。
引用 2016-2-17 10:35 AM
fancao: 举着红旗去干嘛?解放全人类? 说这话的人完全没脑子。成事不足,败事有余!
对此案不熟。据说事故发生后梁与经验丰富的纽约警察工会合作甚少而主要听从唐人街几个混蛋律师。
是要预防游行成为展示中国力量的秀。
引用 2016-2-17 09:56 AM
panda: but I really don't like protest. there should be more legal, peaceful way to do this. hire a better lawyer, make all these point on CNN, or Fox news,  ...
是的,只能从法律上的考虑。请愿信是胡闹,游行只不过是个声势罢了,搞不好就适得其反。另外,这个事件和其他不同,其他的警察杀人案,大都是死者有一定的违法行为,警察在执法时造成死亡,这一次死者却是完全无辜的。
引用 2016-2-17 09:52 AM
野野蜂: 你转发的这贴我也看到了,也有道理。这两天看到好多有道理的帖子,一会儿觉得这个对,一会儿觉得那个对    
荒唐的也看到不少,甚至有人提议举着五星红旗 ...
举着红旗去干嘛?解放全人类? 说这话的人完全没脑子。成事不足,败事有余!
引用 2016-2-17 09:30 AM
这个么, 应该像主任这样的人, 去NY Times写一个文章(OP ED), 这样有影响。俺们老百姓游行估计没有那个好。 
引用 2016-2-17 02:13 AM
fancao: 转发啊:大家觉得这人说的有道理么
上来就说free officer liang,把自己放在老黑,老白的位置上用脚后跟想想,尼玛凭 什么啊,就算是误杀(老黑还未必相信),被 ...
but I really don't like protest. there should be more legal, peaceful way to do this. hire a better lawyer, make all these point on CNN, or Fox news, would be a better effect than go to street to protest.

I thought chinese supposed to be rich, right? where is the money? show me the money  

protesting cost money too, right? why don't we save those money for  lawyer, TV, Newspaper Ads?
引用 2016-2-17 02:08 AM
fancao: 转发啊:大家觉得这人说的有道理么
上来就说free officer liang,把自己放在老黑,老白的位置上用脚后跟想想,尼玛凭 什么啊,就算是误杀(老黑还未必相信),被 ...
good point
引用 2016-2-17 12:56 AM
fancao: 转发啊:大家觉得这人说的有道理么
上来就说free officer liang,把自己放在老黑,老白的位置上用脚后跟想想,尼玛凭 什么啊,就算是误杀(老黑还未必相信),被 ...
你转发的这贴我也看到了,也有道理。这两天看到好多有道理的帖子,一会儿觉得这个对,一会儿觉得那个对   
荒唐的也看到不少,甚至有人提议举着五星红旗去。所以觉得组织者特别不容易。

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