13579：关起门来看数据

引用 2015-6-18 10:34 PM

安静: 说句实话，亚裔孩子优秀是遗传好，最近看周围华人孩子上好大学的，很多都是父母不管的，而我们这些孩子还小的，孩子也很优秀，我就开玩笑说： 鸡生鸡，凤生凤， ...

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引用 2015-6-18 04:57 PM

youzi: 这个是苦力活，不是一两句能说清楚的，等有时间再侃。

好的，不着急。

引用 2015-6-18 04:19 PM

13579: 你该出手时就出手，我最想听的就是你对这些统计数据的分析，游教授同志。

要把这个讲清楚，只怕小6要说我是全退状态了。

引用 2015-6-18 04:16 PM

mist: 哈，哈，一下子让游子兄给抓着把柄了：）））
我能替末末感到拙林这个帖对她的安慰。
快说，另外一个是什么意思？要不悄悄话告诉我也行：）））。你这一懒得帮， ...

这个是苦力活，不是一两句能说清楚的，等有时间再侃。

引用 2015-6-18 02:21 AM

13579: 争取权益是应该的，我支持。
但在这是关上家门讨论咱自己的，为什么我们这么优秀。

说句实话，亚裔孩子优秀是遗传好，最近看周围华人孩子上好大学的，很多都是父母不管的，而我们这些孩子还小的，孩子也很优秀，我就开玩笑说： 鸡生鸡，凤生凤，老鼠的孩子会打洞。 现在这代孩子的父母都是我们这些早期的留学生，以前在国内都是数一数二的聪明，孩子的智力在出生之前就有了保障，再加上美国的教育方式，让他们比我们当父母的更有创造力，跟有想象力。 再有就是亚裔父母亲，即使是像我这样放羊的，也是注重孩子的教育的，尽可能提供资源和机会给孩子。因为这些因素，我觉得想要亚裔孩子不优秀都很难。

引用 2015-6-17 06:28 PM

youzi: 雾儿什么意思，那我们这些天都白忙乎啦？

学会关心弱势群体可能只是末末的一个意思，另外一个意思还没人回答，我也懒得帮她了。   ...

你该出手时就出手，我最想听的就是你对这些统计数据的分析，游教授同志。

引用 2015-6-17 05:57 PM

yi_ran: 是，亚裔要突破竹屋顶，还很艰巨。亚裔整体社会和经济地位的提高最重要。
也需要更多的代表亚裔利益的声音，和亚裔对于争取自身族裔利益的积极支持。 ...

确实任重道远，大部分老中连选举投票都根本不参与。一个白人同事对我说:“You guys are not political minority.“

引用 2015-6-17 04:56 PM

老齯: 看来只有些医生码工的华人没啥用

是，亚裔要突破竹屋顶，还很艰巨。亚裔整体社会和经济地位的提高最重要。
也需要更多的代表亚裔利益的声音，和亚裔对于争取自身族裔利益的积极支持。

引用 2015-6-17 04:13 PM

youzi: 雾儿什么意思，那我们这些天都白忙乎啦？

学会关心弱势群体可能只是末末的一个意思，另外一个意思还没人回答，我也懒得帮她了。   ...

哈，哈，一下子让游子兄给抓着把柄了：）））
我能替末末感到拙林这个帖对她的安慰。
快说，另外一个是什么意思？要不悄悄话告诉我也行：）））。你这一懒得帮，我今晚可要谁不着了，好奇心害死猫啊：）））

引用 2015-6-17 03:35 PM

mist: 有拙林这个帖，末末这几天的努力就没有白费。

雾儿什么意思，那我们这些天都白忙乎啦？

学会关心弱势群体可能只是末末的一个意思，另外一个意思还没人回答，我也懒得帮她了。

引用 2015-6-17 01:54 PM

拙林: 佩服奇数顶风作案的劲头。  这劲头和争取权利的劲头是一样可贵的，所以我两边都支持。       我甚至觉得这两种观点没有根本的矛盾，不需要对立。  保障和争 ...

有拙林这个帖，末末这几天的努力就没有白费。

引用 2015-6-17 12:56 PM

拙林: 佩服奇数顶风作案的劲头。  这劲头和争取权利的劲头是一样可贵的，所以我两边都支持。       我甚至觉得这两种观点没有根本的矛盾，不需要对立。  保障和争 ...

谢谢理解

引用 2015-6-17 12:48 PM

拙林: 佩服奇数顶风作案的劲头。  这劲头和争取权利的劲头是一样可贵的，所以我两边都支持。       我甚至觉得这两种观点没有根本的矛盾，不需要对立。  保障和争 ...

还是拙林会说话。

引用 2015-6-17 12:39 PM

拙林: 不把自己当受排挤的弱者，而是以强者的心态去关心比我们更弱的 ...

林MM的这句话要顶。

引用 2015-6-17 12:12 PM

拙林: 佩服奇数顶风作案的劲头。  这劲头和争取权利的劲头是一样可贵的，所以我两边都支持。       我甚至觉得这两种观点没有根本的矛盾，不需要对立。  保障和争 ...

这贴要顶，说出了我想要说但不知道怎样表达的意思。

引用 2015-6-17 10:33 AM

佩服奇数顶风作案的劲头。  这劲头和争取权利的劲头是一样可贵的，所以我两边都支持。      我甚至觉得这两种观点没有根本的矛盾，不需要对立。  保障和争取自己的权利，反省和提高自己根本是缺一不可的啊。

如果亚裔只会争取法律和规则中的平等，那我们以后会遇到别的少数族裔遇到的同样问题，隐形的内心的歧视单靠法律是很难消除的。  多一些奉献精神，多一点理想主义情怀，不把自己当受排挤的弱者，而是以强者的心态去关心比我们更弱的，我觉得这样才能最终提升我们在这个社会的地位。  因此，我觉得亚裔中的理想主义者特别可贵可敬。

引用 2015-6-17 09:35 AM

yi_ran: 源于同篇文字：
Indeed, Karabel convincingly demonstrates that the collapse of the long-standing Jewish quotas in the Ivy League during the decade foll ...

看来只有些医生码工的华人没啥用

引用 2015-6-17 09:07 AM

源于同篇文字：
Indeed, Karabel convincingly demonstrates that the collapse of the long-standing Jewish quotas in the Ivy League during the decade following World War II only occurred as a result of massive media and political pressure, pressure surely facilitated by very heavy Jewish ownership of America’s major media organs, including all three television networks, eight of nine major Hollywood studios, and many of the leading newspapers, including both the New York Times and the Washington Post.

引用 2015-6-17 09:02 AM

老齯: 嗯，他们当年闹过吗？还是闷声大发财？

按照 http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/， 有一本书The Chosen， 里面介绍了美国Elite School的录取政策变迁：

During the 1920s, the established Northeastern Anglo-Saxon elites who then dominated the Ivy League wished to sharply curtail the rapidly growing numbers of Jewish students, but their initial attempts to impose simple numerical quotas provoked enormous controversy and faculty opposition.10 Therefore, the approach subsequently taken by Harvard President A. Lawrence Lowell and his peers was to transform the admissions process from a simple objective test of academic merit into a complex and holistic consideration of all aspects of each individual applicant; the resulting opacity permitted the admission or rejection of any given applicant, allowing the ethnicity of the student body to be shaped as desired. As a consequence, university leaders could honestly deny the existence of any racial or religious quotas, while still managing to reduce Jewish enrollment to a much lower level, and thereafter hold it almost constant during the decades which followed.11 For example, the Jewish portion of Harvard’s entering class dropped from nearly 30 percent in 1925 to 15 percent the following year and remained roughly static until the period of the Second World War

As Karabel repeatedly demonstrates, the major changes in admissions policy which later followed were usually determined by factors of raw political power and the balance of contending forces rather than any idealistic considerations. For example, in the aftermath of World War II, Jewish organizations and their allies mobilized their political and media resources to pressure the universities into increasing their ethnic enrollment by modifying the weight assigned to various academic and non-academic factors, raising the importance of the former over the latter. Then a decade or two later, this exact process was repeated in the opposite direction, as the early 1960s saw black activists and their liberal political allies pressure universities to bring their racial minority enrollments into closer alignment with America’s national population by partially shifting away from their recently enshrined focus on purely academic considerations. Indeed, Karabel notes that the most sudden and extreme increase in minority enrollment took place at Yale in the years 1968–69, and was largely due to fears of race riots in heavily black New Haven, which surrounded the campus.

Philosophical consistency appears notably absent in many of the prominent figures involved in these admissions battles, with both liberals and conservatives sometimes favoring academic merit and sometimes non-academic factors, whichever would produce the particular ethnic student mix they desired for personal or ideological reasons. Different political blocs waged long battles for control of particular universities, and sudden large shifts in admissions rates occurred as these groups gained or lost influence within the university apparatus: Yale replaced its admissions staff in 1965 and the following year Jewish numbers nearly doubled。

引用 2015-6-17 08:49 AM

yi_ran: http://www.hillel.org/about/news-views/news-views---blog/news-and-views/2013/08/21/2013-top-schools-jews-choose

http://andrewgelman.com/2013/02/12/th ...

尤太人是一种宗教概念吧？我认识的里有黑尤太也有白尤太。据说中国还有父系传下来不被人承认的中尤太。

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