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- I certainly don't expect that a president Biden would be calling the corona virus "the China flu" but we do know that the Chinese have not in any way been transparent with the US or the international community around the pandemic. President Trump has not joined the COVAX initiative on global vaccine production and distribution. He has said that the US will be leaving the World Health Organization because of China's influence over it. Is that an area where you think that Biden would be a radical departure or do you think they'll be close?
- No that will be a radical departure. We will rejoin the WHO. We will certainly join the COVAX initiative. We will once again be actively participating in global efforts because we I think Biden's certainly understands that to be absent from the field is really to leave the field to China and other nations who have very different views than ours. I expect also that a President Biden will work much harder to make common cause with other liberal democracies. One of his advisors has talked about a cooperative network of democracies a league of democracies. He said that he'll call a summit of democracies. And that won't just be to sit around and praise democracy. It will be to try to push hard on issues like climate or pandemics. And I also think that Biden's going to be careful about blaming the Chinese too much for the pandemic. The United States looks really bad when it comes to hiding information from our own people much less looking at the rest of the world. We're not going to be in a position to lecture other countries. And certainly we can continue to insist that China was responsible initially but China has also played an important role in fighting the pandemic both at home within China and elsewhere in the world.
- So let's move along a bit to the Middle East and broadly speaking of course this is an area where we have these wars that have gone on for a very long time. President Obama wanted to put and end to them. Afghanistan's still going on of course a couple of decades later. To what extent has president Trump and the Trump administration's engagement with the Taliban reduction of forces on the ground saying that all troops are going to be gone shortly. Does that kind of is that path dependent? Is there much else that really can be done especially given just how tired the American public is of this war?
- Not a lot. I actually think that a president Biden would pursue a similar policy. It might get renamed. There would be certainly more emphasis on rights of women education of women. Not that we're necessarily in a position to enforce that but to the extent we could offer economic incentives some military we would but fundamentally Vice President Biden was never supportive even of the surge back in .He was far more realist about really making sure that our vital interests were protected in terms of support of terrorism but otherwise getting out. So I don't see him reversing that now. And similarly I think in the in the Middle East he may well well he'll rejoin the US-Iran the European-Iran agreement the Iran nuclear agreement for sure.
- He will try to.
- He will try to. And I think the Europeans will certainly encourage that. So he'll try to play a more active diplomatic role. You know once you don't have troops there it gets harder to play that role. And we are no longer seen as a neutral broker in the region. I mean the region has changed so much and it's gonna continue to change that I don't expect to see huge changes there either other than to pull back from sort of unconditional support of Israel regardless of what they do. There'll be again an effort to raise Palestinian rights and the idea of a two-state solution. They'll come back to that but I don't see that being a major priority certainly not initially. And I suspect when you look other than US-Iranian relations when you look back at the end of a first Biden administration you may not see that many differences.
- We know how unpopular Trump is internationally. We know how much the foreign policy establishment including a lot of Republicans inside the United States really have been never Trump for a long time but that's very different from saying Trump's gone and suddenly great everybody loves the United States now. So that makes me want to ask the broader question which is does American exceptionalism as a concept need to die.
- I'm gonna I'll hedge but but it's very important.- Don't hedge. Tell me what you honestly think.
-我当然不希望拜登总统将日冕病毒称为“中国流感”,但我们确实知道,中国人与大流行周围的美国或国际社会没有任何透明性。特朗普总统尚未加入有关全球疫苗生产和分销的COVAX倡议。他曾表示,由于中国对世界卫生组织的影响,美国将离开世界卫生组织。您是在那个地区认为拜登将是一个根本性的离开,还是您认为他们将会接近?
-不,这将是一个根本性的偏离。我们将重新加入世界卫生组织。我们当然会加入COVAX计划。我们将再次积极参与全球努力,因为我们认为拜登当然知道,缺席这一领域确实是让该领域留给了中国和其他国家,他们的看法与我们的看法截然不同。我还期望拜登总统将更加努力地与其他自由民主国家实现共同事业。他的一位顾问谈到了民主政体和民主政体联盟的合作网络。他说,他将召开民主国家峰会。那不仅仅是坐下来赞美民主。它将试图在气候或流行病等问题上大力推动。而且我还认为,拜登会谨慎地将大流行病归咎于中国人。当涉及向我们自己的人民隐藏信息时,美国看上去真是糟糕透顶,更不用说看世界其他地方了。我们将无法向其他国家演讲。当然,我们可以继续坚持认为,中国应负起最初的责任,但中国在与中国国内以及世界其他地方的大流行抗争中也发挥了重要作用。
-因此,让我们继续走到中东,从广义上讲,当然,这是我们在那里进行了很长时间的战争的地区。奥巴马总统想提出并结束它们。几十年后,阿富汗当然仍在继续。特朗普总统和特朗普政府在多大程度上与塔利班削减军队的接触,说所有部队将在短期内撤离。那是那种依赖路径吗?真的有很多事情可以做,尤其是考虑到美国公众对这场战争有多疲倦?
- 不是很多。我实际上认为拜登总统会奉行类似的政策。它可能会被重命名。当然,应该更加重视妇女的权利,对妇女进行教育。并不是说我们一定有能力执行此命令,但在一定程度上我们可以提供一些军事上的经济激励,但从根本上说,拜登副总统即使回升也从不支持。他要真正确保这一点更加现实。在支持恐怖主义方面,我们的切身利益得到了保护,但否则就逃脱了。因此,我看不到他现在能扭转这种状况。同样,我认为在中东他很可能会重新加入美国-伊朗,欧洲-伊朗协议,伊朗核协议。
-他会尽力的。
-他会尽力的。我认为欧洲人肯定会鼓励这一点。因此,他将尝试扮演更积极的外交角色。您知道,一旦您没有军队,就很难扮演这个角色。而且我们不再被视为该地区的中立经纪人。我的意思是,该地区已经发生了很大变化,并且将继续变化,以至于我不希望在那里看到巨大的变化,除非他们撤出以色列的无条件支持,无论他们做什么。将再次努力提高巴勒斯坦人的权利,并提出两国解决方案。他们会回到那个问题上来,但是我不认为这当然不是一开始的首要任务。而且我怀疑,当您回顾拜登第一届政府任期结束时,除了看美伊关系以外,您可能看不到太多分歧。
-我们知道特朗普在国际上是多么不受欢迎。我们知道,包括美国内部的许多共和党人在内的外交政策机构已经有很长时间没有真正成为特朗普了,但这与说特朗普已经走了,突然所有人都爱上了美国大不相同。因此,这使我想问一个更广泛的问题,即美国例外主义作为一个概念是否需要消亡。
-我要套期保值,但这很重要。-不要套期保值。告诉我您真实的想法。
- The American exceptionalism that I grew up with. The American exceptionalism of the Cold War The American exceptionalism of the s I do think has outlived its usefulness. It is no longer really even inspirational I think for many of the American for large numbers of the American people and certainly abroad it is most effective when itis a version of universalism. It's essentially universal human rights the words of the Declaration of Independence. So the notion that all human beings are created equal and they're all entitled to these basic rights much more so than this is the mission of United States. The American exceptionalism of the th century I think really did see it as a mission as a kind of missionary zeal that the United States could bring the light of democracy to the rest of the world Wilson all the way through to Clinton. In various ways that doesn't make sense to me now. I do think that the United States will do far better in the world if we're focused on living up to our values at home and above all on whether we can make the transition to being a plurality nation where we're no longer a white majority which will happen within the next couple of decades and will happen by for Americans under .If we can actually make that transition and improve inequality have strategies of equity strategies of participation strategies of genuine power shifting that will do much more for the way the world sees the United States than any amount of kind of pushing democracy abroad It doesn't mean I don't think we should stop supporting the democratic opposition in various countries in various ways but I don't think that should be the focal point of our foreign policy.
- Anne-Marie Slaughter thank you very much.-
Thank you it's been a pleasure.
-我长大的美国优秀主义。冷战的美国优秀主义,我认为的美国优秀主义已经没有它的用处了。我认为对于许多美国人来说,它甚至不再是鼓舞人心的,对于许多美国人而言,当然在国外,当它是一种普遍主义的版本时,它是最有效的。独立宣言的字眼实质上是普遍人权。因此,“创造所有人是平等的,使所有人都享有这些基本权利”这一观念远非美国的使命。我认为,二十世纪的美国优秀主义确实确实把它看作是一种传教士的热忱,认为美国可以将民主之光带到世界其他地区,直到威尔逊,一直到克林顿。现在,以各种方式对我来说已经毫无意义。我确实认为,如果我们专注于在本国实现我们的价值观,最重要的是,在白人不再是大多数的情况,我们是否可以实现向多元化国家的过渡,美国在世界上会做得更好。如果我们能够真正实现这一转变并改善不平等现象,那么拥有平等战略,参与战略,真正的权力转移战略将对世界产生更大的影响,世界这样看美国比以任何方式将民主推向国外更有效。这些并不意味着我不认为我们不应该以各种方式停止支持各个国家的民主反对派,但是我不认为这应该成为我们对外政策的焦点。
-Anne-Marie Slaughter 非常感谢。
谢谢,这是我的荣幸。 |
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