First thing first on stock group

panda · 发表于 2009-9-23 02:16:51

First, like I said, I am not a long term investor, just buy and sell stocks hope can make money.
Second, I know almost nothing about technical anaylsis. I trade mostly on news, and feelings. I definitely like to learn technical anaylsis. so please help here.
third, I am not sure how this group should be operate. but welcome anyone who can contribute, in any way.

so let's start.

cheers

666 · 发表于 2009-9-23 03:53:18

Thanks. I hope to see a lot of discussion.

八戒 · 发表于 2009-9-23 08:04:45

首先啊，玩股票的目的不仅是赚钱，更主要的是和玩过山车一样，玩的是一个心跳

个人投资，总体上和赌博类似，输多赢少。要想只赚钱，还是买共同基金好些，要想长期投资，那才是最终赚钱的目的。打短线，很难有时间整天盯着。

panda · 发表于 2009-9-23 16:45:24

>要想只赚钱，还是买共同基金好些，要想长期投资，那才是最终赚钱的目的。
in my experience, it still lose. I bought the best fund I can find, but when market tank, I lose. no different from stock.

>打短线，很难有时间整天盯着。
that is true, so I try to figure out a system I don't have spend too much time still making money, at least don't lose too much

跶客 · 发表于 2009-9-24 14:44:00

that is a good idea. What about we start from mutual funds. Any ideas which sectors we should go.

panda · 发表于 2009-9-24 15:50:14

跶客: that is a good idea. What about we start from mutual funds. Any ideas which sectors we should go.

china of cause. :)

I am not joking. I keep records of the stocks I am following since 2001, china sector is +241%, next is gold, +84%. everything else, biotech, internet, they all in negative. but of cause I didn't buy all the china stock that is rising. otherwise I would be rich now.

next thing would be the low priced bank stock, like C, and housing/mortage stock(FRE, FNM), not because they are very good company, but I think they are very under valued right now.

八戒 · 发表于 2009-9-25 08:34:27

马后炮没用阿。

谁都可以事后算出增长率，可那有啥用，关键是等你也加入了就未必是那个回报率啦。

panda · 发表于 2009-9-25 10:12:57

八戒: 马后炮没用阿。谁都可以事后算出增长率，可那有啥用，关键是等你也加入了就未必是那个回报率啦。

the question is what sector doing good. my answer is about the question, is not about how I was doing.

八戒 · 发表于 2009-9-25 10:25:00

panda: the question is what sector doing good. my answer is about the question, is not about how I was doing.

俺说的就是这个啊。事后，大家都可以分析，哪种投资“好”，有些投资几天就翻番了。可是，世界上却没有哪一种投资可以说是肯定这种比那一种“好”的，只能说风险和回报成正比。也就是说，你心理能承受什么风险。回报高的肯定风险也大，已经长上去的，你再投入，很可能就被套牢啦。

相对稳定、风险又小的投资俺认为是实物投资，因为怎么说那是实物啊。黄金再怎样也不会贬值到铁块的价钱吧。房子只要某个地区没有大规模被穷人进入，不会大量贬值的。而穷人进入不是一夜的事，发现不好，可以抛出，损失不会很大。

而股票、期货等投资弄好了可以短期成为百万富翁，也可能短期破产

是一种赌博。

panda · 发表于 2009-9-25 10:27:46

>已经长上去的，你再投入，很可能就被套牢啦。

you have good point. but I still think china have long way to go. I didn't recommand gold, just china.

panda · 发表于 2009-9-26 02:53:09

GAME, this is a chinese game company, shanda game, ipo today, but it is down right now. I will wait until it hit the bottom and then buy it. it is almost a sure thing to make money.

红娘子 · 发表于 2009-9-26 17:18:14

How would you know when it hits buttom?

panda · 发表于 2009-9-27 01:14:27

红娘子: How would you know when it hits buttom?

i will let you know when I buy it in this thread.

八戒 · 发表于 2009-9-29 07:08:57

中国股票确实前景不错，毕竟中国还有很多发展空间，不像美国已经基本上没有多少“空子”可钻啦。只不过中国股要有一些冒险精神，起伏比较大。

八戒 · 发表于 2009-9-29 07:11:22

panda: GAME, this is a chinese game company, shanda game, ipo today, but it is down right now. I will wait until it hit the bottom and then buy it. it is alm

这支股票背景如何？谁办的公司？

panda · 发表于 2009-9-30 00:43:56

八戒: 中国股票确实前景不错，毕竟中国还有很多发展空间，不像美国已经基本上没有多少“空子”可钻啦。只不过中国股要有一些冒险精神，起伏比较大。

right,

panda · 发表于 2009-9-30 00:44:59

八戒: 这支股票背景如何？谁办的公司？

don't know the background of the company, but the game is a chinese version of the South Korean game.

八戒 · 发表于 2009-9-30 07:11:26

国内用手机发短信和上网玩游戏的人比这里多得多。在北京坐公交车，几乎每个人都手里拿着手机在看，都是在发短信，玩游戏。网吧也非常火。此类游戏公司肯定不少，就看谁的用户多。不知能否找到有关背景材料。

Linwood · 发表于 2009-9-30 09:32:27

If you want to make more money than the Market (or lose less money in a down Market), you have to do one of the following:
1) Smarter than the average market participants, including those professions;
2) Take more risk than the market (which can be problematic in down market);
3) Luckier than the Marekt;
4) I am not aware of anything else.

Good luck!

panda · 发表于 2009-9-30 13:26:21

Linwood: If you want to make more money than the Market (or lose less money in a down Market), you have to do one of the following:
1) Smarter than the average

thanks. but these instructions are too vague. can you tell us which stock to buy and when if you are trading? if I made money following your trade, I would no mind to buy you dinner, and send you a gift something. and if I lose, I will not go after you, so don't worry. :)

I think this group should work like this: just recommand good stock and post it here in the group so every one can see it. and anyone can do it if they have one.

cheers

Linwood · 发表于 2009-9-30 19:32:50

panda: thanks. but these instructions are too vague. can you tell us which stock to buy and when if you are trading? if I made money following your trade, I

Well, I understand you want to make more money, and I also want to. So I went to graduate school to learn how. The above was the essense of what I learned.

I am not an active trader, because I know that I am not smarter than the average participants.

What is useful the modern Finance theory is that diversification can reduce unnecessary risk, which is the formal way to say &quot;don't put all your eggs in one basket&quot;. In practical terms, most individual investors will generally better off by investing in mutual funds (vs. individual stocks).

panda · 发表于 2009-9-30 19:47:22

Linwood: Well, I understand you want to make more money, and I also want to. So I went to graduate school to learn how. The above was the essense of what I lea

ok, cool. thanks.

btw, which graduate school did you go? I am thinking about going to school for it as well. but not sure which one is good.

昨夜雨 · 发表于 2009-10-1 13:30:09

panda: i will let you know when I buy it in this thread.

买了吗？

昨夜雨 · 发表于 2009-10-1 13:34:43

panda: don't know the background of the company, but the game is a chinese version of the South Korean game.

不对吧！

这个是盛大网络（snda）的拆股上市，中文名字是盛大游戏。前者的老板是陈天桥，目前拥有后者的71%的股权和96%的投票权。

panda · 发表于 2009-10-1 14:52:25

昨夜雨: 买了吗？

no yet, I am thinking about $5-6, want to wait until next Jan, 2010

panda · 发表于 2009-10-1 15:01:43

昨夜雨: 不对吧！

这个是盛大网络（snda）的拆股上市，中文名字是盛大游戏。前者的老板是陈天桥，目前拥有后者的71%的股权和96%的投票权。

http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%9B%9B%E5%A4%A7%E7%BD%91%E7%BB%9C
1999年12月由陈天桥和陈大年在上海创立。因代理韩国游戏热血传奇而发展迅速，被誉为互联网界的神话
I guess that is how I got the idea.

昨夜雨 · 发表于 2009-10-1 20:51:20

panda: no yet, I am thinking about $5-6, want to wait until next Jan, 2010

请教大熊猫，如果你看好了5-6刀，那为什么现在不卖短呢？

panda · 发表于 2009-10-1 22:24:37

昨夜雨: 请教大熊猫，如果你看好了5-6刀，那为什么现在不卖短呢？

short is more risky than long, because theoritically you can lose infinite amount of capital. for this new stock, I don't know much, it is 50/50 going up and down. I just guess it would behave like other new IPO chinese tech stock, like VIT, that it will go down first before it goes up.

panda · 发表于 2009-10-12 19:11:04

CIT, any one know this stock? is it going to bankcrupt? if not, when is the bottom? $0.5? $1? I mentioned it because if it is not going to bankcrupt, it will be easy to double your money if you buy at the right price,

panda · 发表于 2009-10-12 19:11:40

CIT lowest point is $0.41 in last july 2008

昨夜雨 · 发表于 2009-10-12 20:02:21

panda: CIT lowest point is $0.41 in last july 2008

刚才去看了下，是2009的七月。Intraday Low 是.31.

我觉得目前它的破产与不破产的可能性是4:6。

panda · 发表于 2009-10-12 21:04:44

昨夜雨: 刚才去看了下，是2009的七月。Intraday Low 是.31.

我觉得的它破产与不破产的可能是4:6。

thanks, my mistake. I wish I followed CIT in july then. :)

panda · 发表于 2009-10-14 14:59:08

CIT closer to securing $3 bln to $6.5 bln loan -sources

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idCNWEN468220091014?rpc=44

I bought 1000 today, what you guys think?

昨夜雨 · 发表于 2009-10-14 23:03:08

CIT今天不是涨了百分十几吗？要是你昨天买的就更好了。:)

今天的道琼指数又过了1万点。记上一笔。

红娘子 · 发表于 2009-10-15 00:20:37

不觉得有热钱吗？

panda · 发表于 2009-10-15 01:35:46

昨夜雨: CIT今天不是涨了百分十几吗？要是你昨天买的就更好了。:)

今天的道琼指数又过了1万点。记上一笔。

right, but yesterday I thought it would go down more today. :)

panda · 发表于 2009-10-15 01:36:21

红娘子: 不觉得有热钱吗？

don't understand, can you explain?

panda · 发表于 2009-10-19 16:44:57

Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac price targets cut to zero

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Fannie-Mae-Freddie-Mac-price-apf-1210714583.html?x=0&.v=1

I unloaded all my position today, but I doubt it will go to zero. maybe 0.1, it depends on the news, I maybe reload at that time.

what do you think?

panda · 发表于 2009-10-19 18:03:22

CWLZ, comments?

panda · 发表于 2009-10-20 20:31:10

today
FRE 1.24 -0.11 -8.15%
FNM 1.12 -0.02 -1.75%

this probably mean yesterday's news are hoax, it is someone want to scare people who holds the stock to sell. I think these two stock probably going to go double soon, I will let you know when I buying again.

panda · 发表于 2009-10-21 12:21:25

just reloaded fre, fnm

昨夜雨 · 发表于 2009-10-21 12:51:12

panda: just reloaded fre, fnm

还hold着cit吗？

panda · 发表于 2009-10-21 13:02:58

昨夜雨: 还hold着cit吗？

yes, 1000

panda · 发表于 2009-10-22 10:31:10

sold most of CIT FRE FNM, over the weekend is risky

panda · 发表于 2009-10-28 13:05:43

CIT, what do you think the news?

panda · 发表于 2009-11-1 17:19:03

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091101/ap_on_bi_ge/us_cit_group_bankruptcy

CIT files for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection

I hope no one bought this thing.

panda · 发表于 2009-11-10 12:30:21

CHLN

what do you think about this one?

八戒 · 发表于 2009-11-18 11:22:55

最近金价狂涨，几位有何收获？

panda · 发表于 2009-11-18 21:23:54

八戒: 最近金价狂涨，几位有何收获？

no

panda · 发表于 2009-12-15 15:07:36

FRE FNM up two days, any comments? anyone believe xmas rally? CIT totally gone, I lost all mine shares, though not too much. :)

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